New Commercial Waste Fees Mean £25 To Dump A Tin Of Paint

moorwell dump with truckCommercial users and islanders without a car will face steep new charges at the Moorwell waste site, including £25 to dispose of a tin of paint and £5 to get rid small electrical items, like an old kettle.

Infrastructure Manager Helen Pearce told Tuesday’s Transport, Economic Development and Infrastructure Committee that the new fees more accurately represent what it costs to process the waste.

But Cllr Gordon Bilsborough questioned why users will be charged £25 to dump a tin of paint that might have cost only £15 in the shop.

Helen told him the Council had to containerise it, put it on a pallet and ship it to the mainland. They could no longer leave it on the Moorwell site.

And she said it would encourage people to use the full tin, although Gordon felt the charge, “may encourage people to fly tip.”

He also said, as a resident, if he went to the dump in a private car to get rid of the paint, he wouldn’t be charged.

But not having a car means he would need to ask the carriers to take it. They’ll be charged the disposal fee, which they’ll pass on to the householder, he said.

Helen told Gordon there was no way round this as it’s “how it is in the law.”

But Cllr Steve Sims said the Committee had previously discussed introducing a ‘voucher’ scheme for residents, which they could give to the carriers.

Helen said the Council also hoped to offer a bulky waste collection service in the future, but they didn’t have the budget for it at the moment.

Commercial operators on the off-islands of Bryher, St Agnes and St Martin’s will also see charges being introduced..

Waste Officer Rebecca Steggles told councillors that new ‘gate’ charges are being introduced at the collection areas on the three islands.

Unlike Moorwell, where there’s space for a weighbridge, the off-island fees will be for individual items, ranging from £5 for a kettle or toaster, up to £20 for a sofa, television or roll of carpet.

And a tin of paint will cost £25 to dump on the off-islands too.

Rebecca told councillors that this brings charges on the off-islands in line with St Mary’s.

Council Chairman Amanda Martin supported the new charges.

She said the authority has to pass on the cost of the service to the users and they couldn’t continue to subsidise it in the way it had been in the past.



34 Responses to New Commercial Waste Fees Mean £25 To Dump A Tin Of Paint

  1. Glenys Millard March 15, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    For removal of Household Bulky Waste the Council suggest on their website that you contact a local haulier for removal of household bulky waste items, which is fine as they can’t offer that service at the moment. Then surely the haulier would have a Vehicle Permit to off load Household Waste on behalf of the resident or alternatively, the resident (or the haulier) would have to complete the necessary form to say that it is indeed ‘Household Waste’ or whatever system the Council has in place for this means. Then if the resident’s standard bulky items are disposed of on the normal ‘Household’ waste day by the local haulier (which the Council suggest we use) there shouldn’t be any charging for residents who have ‘Standard’ household waste to dispose of. Just the transport costs to the haulier to get it to the recycling centre. There are charges for ‘Special’ Bulky waste that are chargeable and there is also usually a limit on how many items you can dispose of on any one weekly load. As far as I know ‘Standard’ bulky items are classed as the sort of things you take with you when you move house, but the Council should have their own lists to advise.

    Now if you are saying that after the Council have suggested you contact a local haulier to pick up your residential household standard bulky items and then resident’s are being charged ‘Commercial’ charges for disposal of their ‘Standard’ Household Bulky Waste because your bulky waste is being carried by a commercial vehicle, which the Council have suggested you do, then that is surely immoral and unethical. People who have green and environmental principles, or anyone else for that matter, shouldn’t be penalised for not having their own transport living on a small island.

    As regards the disposal of paint why not look on the
    WikiHow.com website which gives some guidance or contact the Council as they must have guidelines and be a little more helpful and give suggestions, ideas on re-use of excess paint without this ridiculous charge of disposing of paint that is being mentioned on this site. We all know that any toxic liquids have always had to be disposed of sensibly and in the right manner. It is the fact that it is in liquid form that is the problem. If it was dried up completely (by adding sand, soil, sawdust or a hardener) and solid then it is less of a problem and the Council should again be able to advise on how solid paint can be disposed of which is quite a different case to the liquid form. Water based paints if in solid form should be able to be disposed of as general waste but check with the Council. If you have a completely empty paint tin then usually this can be placed in the black bin bags as normal rubbish but check with the Council first.

    The Council could set up a recycling Paint Bank for the Community to get this excess paint used up.

    As is normal with all humans we will find a way around any problem eventually……..can I suggest that we get a new community driverless vehicle programmed for the ‘tip run’ to get round this one!!!!!!

    • Margaret Keppler March 16, 2016 at 8:56 am

      I’m drawn to your comments about the council being “immoral and unethical” in truth I fear that they are irredeemably inept. There seems to be a complete absence of forethought and practical common sense. When we had competent Chairmen (definitely not the present incumbent or her predecessor) this kind of utter nonsense would have been addressed in committee before being rolled out on an unsuspecting community.

  2. Allan Hicks March 12, 2016 at 9:50 am

    They’re hoping it will be whitewash, which will come in useful for the next round of “good ideas”

  3. Barbara Simpson March 11, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    I had some rubbish collected by Richard Hand recently. His bill was £45. Today I’ve had the Council one – £90! Can’t afford to clear out anything else unless someone can recommend a good local fly-tipping site?

    • Wendy March 12, 2016 at 12:30 am

      Just imagine that you had taken two carrier bags of paint tins down in a taxi you would have had a bill for 3 hundred pounds!

  4. Glenys Millard March 10, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    Surely the Council are introducing ‘Backdooor’ charging which the Gov. are trying to prevent and who believe residents deserve a comprehensive waste and recycling service in return for the charges householders pay. Gov. have clearly expressed policy of free-to-use Waste Centres for residents. Commercial waste is indeed quite different.

    We should be able to leave ALL ‘household’ waste in our black bin bags it’s what we pay our charges for!

    May be we should all get in touch with our MP on this one…….don’t delay!

  5. davec March 8, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    Maybe the Scillonian should offer cheap dumpit day trips so islanders can take their rubbish and dispose of it for nothing in Penzance.

  6. PgH March 8, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    quick measure at work on a pallet with a 5 litre can of paint : On one blue pallet you can get 1 layer of 30 tins. If these are then stacked higher , for example 3 layers high which brings the lift of tins to waist height so a safe load that’s 90 5 litre tins on a pallet !
    #cough ….. thats £2250 per pallet for paint tins to be disposed of ! #gobsmacked
    Nice little earner for the council

    time to buy a car in-case i need to paint the house 😉

    • High Lanes Drifter March 8, 2016 at 7:46 pm

      I agree PgH, could it be that the officers who are responsible for the calculation are also of the linguistic persuasion?
      I wonder if a citizen who had an aged or inferm neighbour or perhaps one that had been banned for aperiod (say 6 months) from driving took that person with them to dispose of that neighbours waste would it be counted as one of the permitted total for that vehicle or allowed against the property address of the disadvantaged neighbour?

  7. disgusted March 8, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    Methinks it is time for the Members of the Management Committee to depart from the Islands, they are doing more harm than good to this small community, never ever thought I would say it but maybe Cornwall County could be the answer, something should be done to halt the ruination of these small islands.

  8. John Allsop March 6, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    Have i got it right if i take an empty paint tin to the dump that has “dregs” of paint on the inside and on the outside and i walk there as i have no car i will have to pay 25 pounds, but if i go in a car it is free? do,s the size of the tin make any differance to the cost? Now if i go on my Trike and not walk do i still pay? We better have island clean ups 6 times a year. How many people work in the offices supporting the council, assuming the councilors run the islands. When i lived in a town of the same population 13 people worked in the offices supporting the councilors.

    • Thomas March 7, 2016 at 10:13 am

      Come on John, these overspends don’t just happen by themselves they have to be coordinated, passed through committee, sanctioned and then revisited. Crackpot new schemes constantly need misinterpreting and then the proposed outcomes lauded by a teetering hierarchy comprised of the omnipotent queen who doesn’t do maths and her sidekick who lacks experience but is at least seriously convinced (at least i think tht was the word?). None of this can happen without the appropriate members of staff.

  9. Where's Binny? March 6, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    And why have the officers insisted on having a Tracking device fitted to the new Bin Lorry?

    Do they not trust their own employees?

    The new lorry is big and it’s white and we only have 9 miles of road. Perhaps they should get up off their backsides and leave their warm offices and go for a walk and have a look at what is happening.

    They will find that the bin men are working their socks off to keep up with the new work loads worked out by unqualified, inexperienced and dim-witted officers, controlled (not) by a bunch of self satisfying members, led by a leader that is not very good with figures.

    Welcome to the madhouse that is the isles of Scilly.

    • Smellyalatergater March 8, 2016 at 6:30 pm

      Working their socks off, in what universe?
      Perhaps a tracking device has been fitted in order to plan a more efficient collection route, rather than the round the houses and back again tomorrow, and the next day one that is currently used.

  10. Donald March 6, 2016 at 8:43 am

    The off Islands cannot be compared with St Marys, we have no collections,we have to do it ourselves, so maybe we could charge the council as independent refuse collectors.

    • Fred Up March 7, 2016 at 3:50 pm

      Why not! Good luck. With your application to DEFRA

  11. Jenny March 5, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    Looks like Deep Point will return to the local dumping round again. What are we getting for our local taxes. Most of us have no street lighting and I have one black bag of rubbish I have sorted myself emptied once a week. Of course I forgot we pay very high wages to people to make decisions for 2500 residents. Silly me, nearly 75, a none car driver and the only local services I have is my bin emptied. Nearly forgot the half dozen or so people making up responses to an once in a hundred year emergency. Money’s worth then. I don’t think.

    • Hugh Towner March 6, 2016 at 11:56 am

      Jenny, Just look at the Corporate Plan to see what other value for money you are getting. It opens ‘Our plan: The smallest unitary Council in England with the largest remit’
      Serving with C.A.R.E. ‘Courage, Accountability, Respectful, and Effective.’ [sic] The strategy and metrics are all there.

      http://scilly.gov.uk/sites/default/files/OUR%20PLAN%20on%20one%20sheet%20corrected.pdf

  12. Painterman March 5, 2016 at 4:37 pm

    Right lets get this right if I need my house painted by say island decorators and they use 10 cans of paint it’s going to cost me £250 more than normal !!! F— it dump then over the nearest hedge just like the old days know what I’ll do with the brushes stick them up their a–

    • Ernest Bourguingnon March 5, 2016 at 8:02 pm

      I think the article is insinuating that the paint tins are full, well, I hope!

    • Gordon Bilsborough March 6, 2016 at 12:34 am

      Painterman. You have got it dead right. We need more people like you on the Council. Come and join us!

      • Painterman March 11, 2016 at 7:49 pm

        Sorry gorden Iam tooooo busy painting my own house my tins will be dumped out side the town hall main door hope they can make use of them

  13. Nobby Nobbs March 5, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    Calm down people, all you have to do is place the empty tin in a black bin bag, tie it up and put it out with your household waste for the council to collect as normal.
    But do remember to remove any items of trash with your name and address on.
    You’re welcome

    • Ernest Bourguignon March 5, 2016 at 1:29 pm

      The poor binmen, I can forsee the challenge of ‘what can I get away with in a bin bag’! Why stop at tins of paint, CRT TV’s, car batteries, microwaves etc etc. Or it could be a cushty number for local decorators. Give me your paint and I can double my profits!

  14. Madana March 5, 2016 at 10:30 am

    What utter utter nonsense! Dear God we are actually paying these no hope amateurs to spout rubbish as well!
    Councillors aren’t you embarrassed? Your chairman supports the charges that should sound the alarm bells ringing.

  15. Snake Pliskin2 March 5, 2016 at 8:40 am

    Wow what a brilliant idea!!!!! Lets charge the people who either unable to drive, or of a more mature age who are unable to get to the dump under their own steam. First there was the removal of a recycling point in old town and now you pay more to dump an item then it costs to buy one – fantastic logic. I wonder how much they will charge to dump the waste that this new idea created when thought up. I guess there will be no more painting the town red!

  16. Bilious March 5, 2016 at 8:31 am

    Hang on a minute “commercial operators on the off islands of Bryher St Agnes and St Martin’s will also see charges introduced”. St Mary’s has been paying for a couple of years, I’m not sure that is fair and equitable. Very strong case for all your money back St Mary’s

    • i know March 5, 2016 at 7:42 pm

      the off islanders will have it easy: some mug pays for a skip , its dropped down to the quay for the launch to pick up when full, every-one else on the island nips down and chucks in their own waste ….simples ! free disposal !

  17. Gobsmacked March 5, 2016 at 8:02 am

    Absolutely no chance of anyone fly tipping, sounds like a real bargain!

    • Gromit March 5, 2016 at 1:29 pm

      Should stop all thoughts of dumping over the side of the boat too!!

  18. Fred Up March 5, 2016 at 7:50 am

    Never mind, we can all drive down there in our electric cars…….what a joke this council has become.

  19. Keith March 5, 2016 at 7:33 am

    If we all worked for the council we’d be able to afford these astronomic charges, we’d be in the pub boasting about how many tins of paint we can afford to take to the dump.

  20. Shag Pile March 4, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    If only there was some way to munch carpets at the dump

  21. Just me March 4, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    I hope it’s yellow paint the council could reuse it to mark all the pot holes along the road to porthlow and around the up country roads
    Or maybe decorate the town hall