New Dog Poo Rules Could Be Scilly Council’s ‘Biggest Success’

dog poo signThe islands could get increased powers to tackle dog mess with fines for offending owners. And if it works, it will rate as the “biggest success as a Council in the eyes of the community.”

That’s according to Cllr Fran Grottick, who was speaking during Tuesday’s debate.

Members have voted to start the process to introduce Public Spaces Protection Orders.

They are being rolled out across the country to deal with behaviour that has a detrimental effect on the quality of life, or to tackle persistent offenders.

They’ll override any existing byelaws and fines can also be levied if owners don’t keep a dog on a lead in specified places or if they let their animals enter an area where they are not allowed.

The fixed penalty notices will be for £100 with discounts for paying up quickly, although a court could levy a £1,000 fine on failure to pay.

Council Chairman Amanda Martin backed the move and claimed that dog mess was a “huge problem.”

She said it’s “really not a pleasant experience” walking around some parts of the islands and poo bags “adorning trees” bothered her too.

Cllr Christine Savill urged the Council to talk to the Duchy when it was confirmed that the new rules would cover all of Scilly.

Christine supported the move but said this type of thing can be easier to write about than implement.

It won’t be enough to phone in or email a complaint about an irresponsible owner. Council officer Diana Mompoloki says there will need to be good proof to show that it’s not just a vexatious complaint.

The Council can authorise anyone to take on the enforcement role. At the moment it would fall within the remit of their Environmental Health Officer David Currie or the new dog warden Charlie Flores.

Cllr Gordon Bilsborough wanted to know what would happen if an officer caught an owner not clearing up mess, but they didn’t know the offender’s name and, when questioned, they wouldn’t reveal it.

Members have been assured that there will be a community consultation before any new regulations are introduced.

22 Responses to New Dog Poo Rules Could Be Scilly Council’s ‘Biggest Success’

  1. fran grottick December 30, 2015 at 3:47 pm

    Just for the record, my comment about the “success” of the dog fouling initiative was slightly tongue in cheek. However, I do think it important for reasons given in a previous post.
    Also happy to record that I consider transport issues really important, and recent weather disruption has again brought home to us how vulnerable we are , especially in the winter.
    New Year Wishes,

    • Jumanji December 30, 2015 at 9:46 pm

      I suppose any success should be welcomed in a barren desert of achievement. The roads are an improvement but were very very expensive, absolutely everything else has been little more than a catalogue of embarrassment.
      I am increasingly of the view that there is an undeclared mission whereby queen bee and her orbiting acolytes have determined that proof of inadequacy will somehow prompt sympathy and hands on benign management by government departments.
      Fat chance!

      • Tarmac December 31, 2015 at 7:35 pm

        THe roads take a look at the roads around borough farm and top of telegraph pot holes ever were a bloody disgrace and portlow road is also in a mess they will be filling pot holes for the next 30 years before the tar plant comes back again if it ever does

  2. Rasputin December 28, 2015 at 12:07 pm

    Dear Snake Pliskin 2

    As a regular visitor to Scilly for over 50 years it is concerning to see that a member of the Council apparently regards the new rules on dog fouling as possibly the Council’s’ biggest success’. You, like the Council may not wish to hear or know the reality of travel to and from Scilly, but since the demise of the helicopter service all that remains is the monopoly service provided by the IoSSCo. In August, perhaps the busiest time for tourists and holidaymakers, Skybus failked to fly on 14 days. That did not happen with BIH to such an extent. Is that not a matter of concern or indeed interest?

    Ignore my comments if you wish; regard them as negative if you choose to do so. But that does not alter the reality. Getting to and from Scilly is now unpleasant and unreliable and expensive. Even if the helicopter was expensive it was more reliable and pleasant than any of the offerings from the IoSSCo.

    How many more hotels need to close; how much further do visitor numbers need to decline before someone on the Council actually addresses and deals with the problem?

    And do you really believe that what you regard as my negative comments are going to have any effect whatsoever upon whether people chose to travel to or from Scilly on holiday?

    What happens is that people travel to Scilly and so unimpressed are they by the travel experience on the Scillonian or, if they are lucky enough to find Skybus is actually flying, that they do not repeat the experience. You can fly from Bristol to New York for the same price that it costs to travel to St Mary’s from Newquay.

    Wake up and smell the coffee – rather than the dog poo!

  3. Rasputin December 22, 2015 at 4:14 pm

    It is the lack of a reliable transport system to and from Scilly that is causing the decline in visitor numbers. But that is clearly too difficult problem for the Council to deal with.

    how many more warnings of disruption to flights will it take before someone grasps the nettle and actually does something about a problem that has been steadily growing since the demise of the helicopter service?

    • Snake Pliskin2 December 24, 2015 at 9:52 am

      Re Rasputin:- Absolutely brilliant you have managed to turn an article in no way related to transport to once again another negative point of view towards the Steamship company and Skybus. Has it ever occured to you that it may be because of all the negatively that people see on every article is also having an effect on visitor numbers!

      Negativity creates more negativity as is proven by this reply, however it also gives the impression that the islands are not worth visiting or worth the effort because everything is either too expensive, too difficult or too incompetent. Love the islands for what they are and give sensible suggestions rather then just saying “does something about a problem that has been steadily growing since the demise of the helicopter service?”

      • Adam Morton, St.Martins December 28, 2015 at 3:33 pm

        Totally agree with Rasputin. Let’s pretend a problem doesn’t exist then perhaps it will disappear ! Let’s fill the news with trivial rubbish rather than getting to grips with the problem! Just my opinion but I think visitors will have more respect for people doing their best honestly rather than trying to tell them black is white! It’s the number of days they spend waiting in the airport not what they read on these pages that will ultimately make their minds up on whether to come back! The Council shoved transport under the carpet and now IP has kicked it about till it’s disappeared. This is the only place left now not censured with “new speak” AKA “positive reporting”!

  4. fran grottick December 21, 2015 at 2:26 pm

    I may regret this post, but here goes anyway. I realise that not everyone will agree but I think we have got to the point where this problem does need discussion and an attempt to address concerns.
    Many Islanders and many visitors have commented, and there can be serious health implications, especially for children.
    Tourism is our number one industry(and, so far as I can see , will be for the foreseeable
    future). Visitor feedback is important.
    We are blessed with a wonderful environment, let’s all work to keep it as special as we can.
    Wishing everyone and their dogs a very Happy Christmas, Fran

  5. Newquaygreen December 21, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    So what happens when you have used and disposed of your bag, how will the council know this and that you are not an offender without a bag?

  6. Nan Fellows December 17, 2015 at 7:04 pm

    Some councils are looking at implementing a rule that will fine dog owners who if stopped are not carrying Poo bags – seems fairly simple.
    As an owner of 2 dogs we always carry a number of bags. I realise that carrying bags does not necessarily mean that owners actually clear up but it is a start in the long path to educate people who don’t seem to care.

    • Margaret Keppler December 19, 2015 at 10:04 am

      What a good idea Nan, of course the usual safeguards should be employed so that there are two dog wardens, male and female and body cameras that would be switched off during a body ‘stop & search’. Yes that will work! Owners who fail to comply could be sent for reeducation and wear a probationary arm band when they are once again permitted to walk their dog. Brave new world.

  7. Jumanji December 14, 2015 at 9:45 am

    Finally something this present council is worthy of getting its teeth into!
    The ruling junta are so full of bull—- that they have managed to diversify into another area where their expertise can flourish.
    Top marks to Council for passing the motion!
    Flushed with success it should give them confidence to tackle bigger issues like capital overspending, education, adult social care, waste, sewerage, managerial incompetence and the list goes on!

  8. Chris (John) Lintern December 12, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    It appears strange to me that in a place where cows are perfectly at liberty to roam free and therefore defficate at will that dog owners in islands where a high percentage of dogs also roam freely are to be fined if their dog does the same. What is the current fine for cigarette ends and drinks cans and bottles I wonder?

    • Road runner December 18, 2015 at 7:45 pm

      Don’t forget about horses crapping over the road!

  9. Pete December 11, 2015 at 11:58 pm

    Some people want more dog bins. How can a dog use a bin that is mounted 4ft from the ground.

  10. Bill Hiner December 11, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    I wrote to the council some time ago regarding how to easily improve the dog-fouling problem by siting the bins in more sensible locations allied with different signage. The idea would have cost a minimal amount, and had been a proven success on the mainland.
    They weren’t interested. However, I’ll try again and see if there is someone now willing to listen to try and halt this disgusting blight on our streets and footpaths

  11. Alec hicks December 11, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    As a dog walker and owner I am sure the council have far better things to do than worry about a few dogs, there will be signs every where the poor visiting dog owners will need a map to show the beaches they can and can not go on,can’t but think it’s another hair brain idea with good intentions that will be a cook up Alec

  12. meme December 11, 2015 at 4:20 pm

    Yes, the new dog warden needs to do a few rounds, plenty of mess around Porthcressa Road plus a dog bag left in the road. You could always see Mrs. Perkovic regularly doing her rounds, but so far no new warden visible as yet.!

  13. Pete December 11, 2015 at 12:54 pm

    The Council needs to get out on the streets, and stamp this problem out.

    • Jumanji December 11, 2015 at 1:30 pm

      Wouldn’t that just make a bigger mess?

  14. Justsaying December 11, 2015 at 10:29 am

    Would it be wise for the council or for whom ever the responsibility is with to provide at least some dog litter bins across the Islands. I am unsure of St Mary’s however on the Off Islands there are no bins or encouragement/advice on how or where to dispose. I am sure numerous businesses/households could quote stories on people dropping in and asking what can they do with this or is there a bin near by?

    Please invest in the basics, if our foundations are good and strong then we can progress otherwise the Scillonian will be returning with animal loving day trippers with more than a goody bag! It is bad enough when it smells of vomit.

    These islands are increasing in popularity for dog owners. But we have minimal to accommodate their needs, okay, large beaches, beautiful walks, fields, birds & other dogs etc, but minimal basics.

    Out of the first ten fines you collect, please invest/purchase the litter bins or I will purchase and submit expenses due to needs if one must. This would prevent any such sight of bags on trees or anywhere else they may bee flung.

    • Winkles December 11, 2015 at 4:11 pm

      There are dog litter bins on St. Mary’s. One of the biggest problem areas where owners throw their bags of dog waste is on the Garrison walk, past Trinity Cottages and not 50 metres from one of the bins. They throw it over the wall, or up into the trees. I’m not sure about the off-islands, but I do agree that perhaps it would be prudent to add more disposal bins, and specifically in the areas where people incorrectly dispose of their dog’s waste the most.